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Kaines's List

True to the name of the thread, this is for sharing all theories you may have about Captain Gamer's identity. Make sure you back up your claims with plenty of evidence!
Konoko

How about more far-reaching speculation for the identity of a certain trenchcoated rival CG?
Not really part of Kaine's list, least not its original intention/purpose, but that list certain can be used as a fun base to work from. =P
Cos I've got this theory based around Graham being Czar...

Edit: Why, I have no idea what you mean....<_< >_>
Captain Gamer

Konoko wrote:
Cos I've got this theory based around Grantham being Czar...


Did you just mash together Grant's and Graham's names? Shocked Are you suspecting one, other, or both?
Skybait J

I have a strong feeling towards the DR technician Cruise being Gamer. He's right there, in the center of it all. He could find out all kinds of crazy things and get involved with so much. It explains how he could have gotten onto the base in chapter four to talk to Protoman and how he got into Canada in chapter five. Plus, his charactor is getting developed pretty throughly, which means he must have some pretty heavy significance.
Koji_Tsunami

Your reasearch seems pretty complete,but don't you think that the people at the DRI would be able to see the resemblance between the guy in the silver visor and the guy who they see in the lab every day if that were the case?
Skybait J

Didn't Jordan?

A change in general aditude and adition of a visor, possibly coupled with a hair style change (messy rather than clean), can be a darn good disguise if someone's not looking closly or paying attention.
Koji_Tsunami

Sort of like how Superman puts on glasses and nobody notices that he's Clark Kent? Well, I guess your theory makes more sense than that (considering that as Captain Gamer his face is covered largely by those silver shades.) Still, I hope that highly trained scientists are more observant than those guy at the newspaper Clark works at. But it could work if Cruise pulled it off right.
Skybait J

Could we also use this thread to think of Czar possiblilities? If Czar is actually going to pop up, that is Razz
Captain Gamer

I don't see why not, even though he has yet to actually appear in Digital Defender. >.>
Skybait J

Deprived of much to do, I'm going to post Kaine's List's top five possibilities plus+. Big post. So without further ado...

Kaine's List TOP FIVE SUSPECTS!
You must seriously enjoy messing with our heads, Gamer, the choice between them are become more and more based on personal preference than anything.

--=Student Cal Graham=--
The biggest possibility here, he could go either Captain or Czar on this one. He could be Czar for obvious reasons, seeing as how he's acted the antagonist often in the story. Wanting to either prove something or get revenge, he accepts the offer of The Untold Evil Villain and becomes Czar Gamer. The Captain Gamer possibility is much more fun.

Role playing is a very powerful force, it can make one completely different. Especially when flung into an extenuating circumstance. It would be easy for anybody to be reduced to the childlike Gamer in those situations. Despite the tough act Graham is putting up, when he puts on that visor, no one can see who he is, and he's free to act at will. He might even be far enough into the whole roleplaying idea that his personality has split between Gamer and Graham with a wall between them, the two feelings don't mix. It'd be dual personality disorder, possibly even dislocative where you can't remember what the other personality is doing. When Graham gets out of "Gamer Mode" he either realizes or sees on TV how stupid he/Gamer acted and hates it. When he yells at Kate he might just be venting his own insecurities about the whole thing.

Okay, I admit it, that's an idea insane. I don't personally believe Graham is Gamer, so the theory got a little out of hand. He doesn't have to be crazy, I'm just saying how personalities don't have to apply when you're role playing.

--=Actor Cyrus Grant=--
It's noted that he looks like Captain Gamer. Plus, he knew about Roll, and spoke with ease about it, even though it was a little known fact. He's either more curious about Gamer than he puts on or Gamer himself. But as an actor I personally can't see him act childish as he's been. He's used to role playing, and he could definitely act the better hero if he wanted to. Although the Cal Graham argument could also apply here.

--=Reporter Chad Gray=--
He's probably not Gamer (see quote below). But he might be involved, either Czar Gamer checking out his rival, or sent by Untold Evil Villain to spy on him.
"Meanwhile Gamer painfully picked himself up. What little of the blow he took from EnEmEe’s drill attack was plenty more than those stars. He was not going to take another debilitating hit to the stomach, again, and before the ‘It’s game time!’ had been properly declared. At least there were no cameras to this encounter."

--=Professor's Assistant Gregory Cruise=--
He'd be the perfect choice for Gamer, seeing as how he's right there in the middle of DR, and the Professor's assistant. He'd get all sorts of insider information to help him. But I personally am leaning on him being Gamer, his personality certainly matches Gamer's the most out of all of the possible choices. Plus, he has experience with technology, so he could mess with the Game Station as he did in chapter three.

Insider informant could be a good reason as to why he's Czar as well. He could be informing Untold Evil Villain about everything so that he/she/it can counter it effectively. And for being a good informant, he gets the Czar Game Station.

--=Teacher Canden Grisam=--
Do we really think that the teacher is Gamer? That's stretching it really far. Yes, there are the wonders of modern makeup, and he does like playing video games, but a teenager couldn't get a job as a college professor and pull it off!

OR COULD HE?!

Gamer is wicked smart if he can mess with the Game Station and actually change its programming. Maybe he's one of those child geniuses who did get a job as a college professor in his preferred major. He ages himself a bit with makeup so that the students take him seriously. A long shot, but who knows?

These probably aren't on Kaine's List, but I thought I should point them out.

--=Rich Kid Shane Barr Jr=--
To be Gamer it would be a typical rich kid using his massive money supplies to do whatever he wants story. And then find heroics are really hard and gains a new tune in life. Yes, he's blond, but that's easily remedied by the wonders of modern makeup! (wigs and dye are makeup!)

OR

He could see how famous Captain Gamer's been getting and decides to go his own way with it using his massive amount of money to create his own Game Station. Or attains it from untold main villain. Making himself the much more awesome CZAR GAMER!

--=Student Kate Gaines=--
Admit it, IT'D BE THE PERFECT PLOT TWIST!

Bets anyone? I could put up odds for you Razz

I say Cruise is Gamer and Barr is Czar.
Koji_Tsunami

Cruise could be Gamer but I doubt that Barr= Czar. your theory for that indicates that he just wanted to get publicity, but in OCC Czar seems genuinly evil. It flat out wouldn't work, at least not without a ton of Random backstory (ala Bob and George).

Oh! $30 says that Kate isn't Captain Gamer.
Skybait J

If cartoons have taught us anything, kids with massive amounts of money to throw around freely are evil. XD

I raise you $60 that Kate becomes something like Saiyaman II
8-Bit

From what I've read of Digital Defender so far (Episode 1 and 1/2 of Episode 2) I can only think of one character who it might be Gamer, and that would be Cruise. Only real evidence I have so far is brown hair and he works at the Institute but that doesn't add up to much.

I'll probably make better guesses once I read the next episodes. Thing is though I'm not much of a reader but I find this CG's story to be quite interesting.
Naryu Elda

Well, there is also one person, one whose name is unknown to us, but has appeared multiple times: GamerFan.

I doubt that he is really Gamer, but there is a chance that he is really someone sent by the Mysterious Enemy whose Name We Do Not Know. Reason for this thought: Kate is keeping a list of people who could be Gamer. What better way to learn the identity of your foe than to use an unsuspecting populace, not knowing that they are aiding the very person/group that wants their destruction?

Or perhaps I am just a little paranoid. *shrugs*
Skybait J

Any old villain could just check Kaine's list to see all the speculations on it's forums. Why would someone be specifically sent to a random girl with no connection to Captain Gamer? Whatever Kate comes up with would just be put on her list, wouldn't it?

It's easy to get paranoid in this story, there are hints dropped every way you turn @.@
Naryu Elda

Skybait J wrote:
Any old villain could just check Kaine's list to see all the speculations on it's forums. Why would someone be specifically sent to a random girl with no connection to Captain Gamer?

Anyone could have a connection to Gamer, since his identity is unknown. However, she is a gamer herself and she was at the Interview and pretty close to the demolished building (well, not TOO close, but as close as she would be while feeling safe). But then again, those points are most likely worthless, since the main thing that drew GamerFan's attention was her list.

Skybait J wrote:
Whatever Kate comes up with would just be put on her list, wouldn't it?

Until she met GamerFan, her list was just a small topic in some forum, not a net-sensation. And yes, whatever she (or others) come up with would be looked over and then added to the list.

Skybait J wrote:
It's easy to get paranoid in this story, there are hints dropped every way you turn @.@

So true... Everyone loves a mystery, though!
Konoko

Even if the villains had nothing to do with the list, if they hear about it, it'd be pretty stupid if they shunned the potential help of the vast online populous in finding the identity of their foe.
The mention of it on the news...yeah. If the villains hadn't already started checking by then, they did after that. Sure, it might not sound the most credible source of information, but half a million eyes, ears and brains...why not. =3
Koji_Tsunami

You mean that as we speak the villains could have their own survailance system in the form of 70 million gamerfans!!!??

Ahhhh! Big Brother! But seriously, that's a good point. This'll cause all sorts of problems for the Captain if his enemies know who he is. Plus then Kate will feel guilty aboout revealing it....
Skybait J

No big progress has been made yet on the list, the top five are still there...But if they did get anywhere, it's still only fan-based. Gamer might not be any one of these, y'know. So any pursuits would be pointless Razz
Dude. 1984 ROCKED
Koji_Tsunami

I know w're going nowhere fast, but I still say it's fun to speculate about this sort of thing. And you wouldn't like 1984 so much if you were in Winston's place.(but yes, it is a good novel.)
Skybait J

No, no, Kaines list in the story.

We're getting places on this thread <.<
Koji_Tsunami

What do you mean by tha- Oh my god, I just realized that I accidentally switched which version of Kaines list I was referring to! Sorry, Skybait J. Yeah. It really is an interesting point though. Strange, in real life, we've gotta wait for Captain Gamer himself to reveal who his character is, but Kate will actually figure it out, I bet.(which is of course, how we'll find out. probably.)
EDIT: Nobody posts anymore! Waah!
Chocolate Ninja

Skybait J wrote:

--=Student Kate Gaines=--
Admit it, IT'D BE THE PERFECT PLOT TWIST!


Not nearly as much of a plot twist as the Professor. Razz
Skybait J

OoO

HOW DID WE NOT THINK OF THAT?! XD

I'm thinking there's far too much evidence against it though, lemme read DD over again and find out if its possible <.<
Koji_Tsunami

Well, there's evidence against Kate being Captain Gamer, like she was at the site of the battle as a bystander in "Gamer's Dream".
Skybait J

Yes, but Kate could just be crazy. The Professor's too old and senile to be crazy Razz
Chocolate Ninja

You'd think that would be a better case for him being crazy, though. Razz

My best bet is Grey. He's close to the action a bit too much for it to be mere coincidence, not to mention he has a pretty Gamer-esque attitude. Then again, that wouldn't quite explain the technology thing.
Koji_Tsunami

Skybait J wrote:
Yes, but Kate could just be crazy. The Professor's too old and senile to be crazy Razz

What? I could see that explanation if the story was being told from her point of view, but It's told from third person. I don't see how that could work at all.
You know what would be a great plot twist?
"And then, Kate saw the amazing truth. Captain Gamer was really Ronald Dinklemeyer,of Geen bay, Wisconsin. Nobody even knew he existed before now." Shocked Smile
Konoko

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Well, there's evidence against Kate being Captain Gamer, like she was at the site of the battle as a bystander in "Gamer's Dream".

But then....Tyler Durden?
Or Keyser Soze?
Cool

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You know what would be a great plot twist?
"And then, Kate saw the amazing truth. Captain Gamer was really Ronald Dinklemeyer,of Geen bay, Wisconsin. Nobody even knew he existed before now." Shocked Smile

...Awesome. Laughing
Anomaly

Ah, speculation/debate threads! My favourite! Let's see what I can come up with...

It seems likely that the Captain (I'll call him that instead of Gamer because, as Czar said, "technically, I'm a Gamer as well".) is himself a Digitally Realized being. Take a look at these two quotes:
"Now, this technology won’t work with you or me, but since Mario’s practically a robot with skin and bones instead of sheet metal and L-beams, we can take advantage." -Pitt, Chapter 2
And yet that very technology detected the Captain when he arrived.

"If any heroes were to be eliminated, they would have to come based off a passive signal that only digitally realized beings could sense." -Nightmare, Chapter 5 (my italics)
Both Kirby and the Captain received that "passive signal".

Of course, it could be that the monitoring station and the signal were only interacting with the Captain indirectly through the visor or, more likely, the Gamer Station, but if it's true, then that would cause a couple of problems with some of the people on Kaines' List.
Because, if the Captain is DR, then that means he only would have actually started existing after DR came to be - nobody with known history beyond that could be Digitally Realized. In other words, not Graham, who had been a classroom jerk long before the story started; neither Grey, nor Grisam, nor Grant.

However, just like all the nameless folk in the IDR, Cruise has no known history before joining the Institute. Cruise being Gamer has long been my pet theory, and it goes beyond a shared anonymity:
- Both the Captain and Cruise have shown prodigy-level technical skill - the Captain with the Gamer Station, and Cruise with his "jack-of-all-trades" status. (The apple fiasco could have been either Cruise pretending to be less talented than he really is, or a characteristic goofy moment.)
- Both the Captain and Cruise have similarly goofy personalities.
- Cruise working at the IDR would give him access to all kinds of special information - though, based on the Professor's comments, he would have had to get the Gamer Station elsewhere.

Now, while this theory does seem to run into a brick wall if someone mentions Cruise's whereabouts while Mario was fighting Donkey Kong, the narrative only mentions that people were looking at Cruise's mobile television - not that Cruise was actually present. For all we know, he could have left the thing with the other scientists and excused himself.
Skybait J

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It seems likely that the Captain (I'll call him that instead of Gamer because, as Czar said, "technically, I'm a Gamer as well".) is himself a Digitally Realized being. Take a look at these two quotes:
"Now, this technology won’t work with you or me, but since Mario’s practically a robot with skin and bones instead of sheet metal and L-beams, we can take advantage." -Pitt, Chapter 2
And yet that very technology detected the Captain when he arrived.


However, right before it: "Anything that registers a pulse and exhibits odd vital signs, we will see those vital signs here. "

Mario is odd because he's digitally realized, and I think Captain using the Gamer Station would make his signal odd enough to be noticed by those tracking devices.

If we were to just jump to the conclusion that Gamer was digitally realized, we'd certainly eliminate a lot of his possible identities. But then what would be the point of adding mystery behind each and every one of them?! XD

And also, yay for some who also thinks Captain Gamer is Cruise! XD Certainly the most evidence behind him, but maybe it's a trick to divert our attention away from the REAL Captain...<.<
Chocolate Ninja

Another thing to keep in mind is the however unlikely possibility that CG is not actually male, and/or is blonde or some other hair color and wearing a wig. Razz This is more related to the "Captain Gamer is some guy we've never even heard of" hypothesis, though it would be a huge anti-climax.

On that same note, I wonder if it ever will be straight-out revealed who Captain Gamer actually is? <_<
Konoko

Heh, imagine if it was first revealed to Kate, but not the readers. xP Evil.
Skybait J

Y'mean like, if Kate somehow found out/realized his identity without it being revealed to the readers, and then said, "it's my secret now" or something, and never reveals to us who it is.
Anomaly

Skybait J wrote:
However, right before it: "Anything that registers a pulse and exhibits odd vital signs, we will see those vital signs here. "

Mario is odd because he's digitally realized, and I think Captain using the Gamer Station would make his signal odd enough to be noticed by those tracking devices.
Yeah, that's what I meant by the monitoring station "interacting with him indirectly".

Skybait J wrote:
If we were to just jump to the conclusion that Gamer was digitally realized, we'd certainly eliminate a lot of his possible identities. But then what would be the point of adding mystery behind each and every one of them?! XD
You mean like, the mystery of how a news reporter would just happen to be in the area of the Fountain? Sure, it's suspicious, but I for one at least hope it's not Grey. The superhero being a "reporter by day" has been done too often.

Skybait J wrote:
And also, yay for some who also thinks Captain Gamer is Cruise! XD
Yeah, I thought of something else about that just recently. If the Captain were to look down at his shirt himself, he'd see "GC"... sure, it might be inconsequential, but still...

Skybait J wrote:
Certainly the most evidence behind him, but maybe it's a trick to divert our attention away from the REAL Captain...<.<
Haha. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

Chocolate Ninja wrote:
Another thing to keep in mind is the however unlikely possibility that CG is not actually male, and/or is blonde or some other hair color and wearing a wig. Razz This is more related to the "Captain Gamer is some guy we've never even heard of" hypothesis, though it would be a huge anti-climax.
I wouldn't say that the Captain's a woman, based mostly on things from OOC - like, Czar saying he's "fallen in love with every moderately attractive game character", and some of the ways he's acted around Sakura. And I doubt he'd artificially age himself, either. Think about it; if he's Grisam, then he would have had to be disguising himself for a long time by the time Captain Gamer arrived, and I doubt he would have been canny enough to think that he'd need a secret identity before ever hearing the words "Gamer Station" in his life.
Though, I am willing to grant you that he might wear a wig and/or contact lenses. One of the bonuses of OOC is you know what colour the Captain's eyes are... or at least, what colour they seem to be, under the visor...

Chocolate Ninja wrote:
On that same note, I wonder if it ever will be straight-out revealed who Captain Gamer actually is? <_<
Probably. But then again, probably not. Not knowing the future is annoying like that, and CG himself would say that kind of outright question is "out of bounds".

Though, on another note, I've had a couple of thoughts relating to Czar Gamer. I think he might be the Untold Villain, and he's the one who first came up with the Gamer Station, as well as being the one to Digitally Realize all the villains so far - in part just for the sake of villains, but also so he can link with them. I mean, if he'd been in contact with them, then Czar would have already linked with Donkey Kong, Eggman, Doctor Wily (possibly the Robot Masters), and Nightmare by now. And, if Czar were the original Untold Villain, then that means he couldn't have been a "cookie cutter replica" of the Captain, because the Captain was unknown before Donkey Kong arrived. Perhaps the Captain was actually Realized - or at least, given the equipment - as Czar's own "cookie cutter replica" as a measure to keep Czar in check. That would be one heck of a twist.
Alternately, both Czar and the Captain could have come from the same source - either equipped, or Realized. Likely, the only source which would have good enough access to and understanding of Digital Reality to even come up with the Gamer Stations would be the Untold Villain, though how the Captain could have become his heroic self if the Villain were willing to trust him with a Station to begin with, I can't tell.
In a similar note, Czar and the Captain could come from the same source, but at a more personal level: they could be brothers. I know that sounds cliche, but think about it; anyone with siblings knows that a good way to be both a "friendly rival" and a "bitter enemy" with someone is to be related to them. That, plus Czar's based on the Captain's real-life brother, anyway.
Skybait J

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Alternately, both Czar and the Captain could have come from the same source - either equipped, or Realized. Likely, the only source which would have good enough access to and understanding of Digital Reality to even come up with the Gamer Stations would be the Untold Villain, though how the Captain could have become his heroic self if the Villain were willing to trust him with a Station to begin with, I can't tell.

The Untold Villain could just have easily stolen the Gamer Station from whomever made it in the first place. Two other possible sources for the creation of the Station currently are Fanta Corp and the Professor himself (indirectly, maybe.) It's still not that easy to see why they would just give it to Captain though, now it's all about who's connected enough. Unless Gamer just waltzed into Fanta Corp and they said "hey, random tester, yay!" and planted it on him XD. Wild theories can go on and on with this one...theres too much information that can be interpeted in too many ways =/

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In a similar note, Czar and the Captain could come from the same source, but at a more personal level: they could be brothers. I know that sounds cliche, but think about it; anyone with siblings knows that a good way to be both a "friendly rival" and a "bitter enemy" with someone is to be related to them. That, plus Czar's based on the Captain's real-life brother, anyway

Thier simmaler appearance in OOC kinda leads to the idea that they may be realted somehow. I mean, they're wearing the same kind of sneakers! Or were you just a lazy spritesman, Captain?! XD
Captain Gamer

Anomaly wrote:
I wouldn't say that the Captain's a woman, based mostly on things from OOC - like, Czar saying he's "fallen in love with every moderately attractive game character", and some of the ways he's acted around Sakura.


Now just how does that set Captain's gender in stone? Granted, there are conventions when it comes to human society, but you just can't tell when it comes to game/anime fans, am I right? Laughing

Skybait J wrote:
Thier simmaler appearance in OOC kinda leads to the idea that they may be realted somehow. I mean, they're wearing the same kind of sneakers! Or were you just a lazy spritesman, Captain?! XD


You need to take a closer look at Cap's and Czar's sneakers comparatively.
Anomaly

Captain Gamer wrote:
Now just how does that set Captain's gender in stone? Granted, there are conventions when it comes to human society, but you just can't tell when it comes to game/anime fans, am I right? Laughing
That kind of romance just doesn't seem to suit the story, is all I'm saying.

Skybait J wrote:
I mean, they're wearing the same kind of sneakers!
Even if they were, that probably would have just been because they'd both found out that those are the best kinds of shoes to Game in, for tactical reasons.
Skybait J

Captain Gamer wrote:
Skybait J wrote:
Thier simmaler appearance in OOC kinda leads to the idea that they may be realted somehow. I mean, they're wearing the same kind of sneakers! Or were you just a lazy spritesman, Captain?! XD

You need to take a closer look at Cap's and Czar's sneakers comparatively.

They're both blue on white! Therefore two of a kind! Of course they both wear sorta the same clothes anyway (besides Czar's trenchcoat, of course). What's more relevent to thier relation is thier simmalar haircuts <.<
Anomaly

Skybait J wrote:
What's more relevent to thier relation is thier simmalar haircuts <.<
Yeah, because you totally can't have the same haircut as someone without being related to them. Confused
Koji_Tsunami

No! Captain and Czar really do have different kinds of shoes! you have to look closely, but the difference is there.
Anomaly

Well, this thread's been quiet for a while. I think I'll give it a kick with the good ol' boot of speculation...

Yet again, I'm bringing up my pet theory of Cruise being the Captain. This time, though, I'm bringing something new to the table.
Now, it might seem odd that the Captain has been on national (international?) news multiple times, and no one has recognised his civilian identity, even though the lower half of his face is right there. Of course, one explanation is that he's always in action when the camera's on him, and it's tough to get a good look at him.
Of course, there's also the possibility that he has a bit of a disguise when he's in civilian mode, too - and Cruise has just the thing: a goatee, which could easily be bought from a costume shop, and removed/replaced at will.

Also, to introduce this to the thread where it belongs, there is the possibility of multiple Captain Gamers - perhaps it is not just one man, but an identity who can access the relevant equipment can take up, kind of like the Phantom, or V.
Koji_Tsunami

If you mean multipule people being Cap...*shoots Anamoly*
But if you mean Cap being multiple people...
Interesting... It would make a little sense, but if that was it, somewhere in the story, then two or more secret identities would be forced to meet for the sake of drama, which would be of course, impossible, making Cap's identity easy to identify!
(takes off insanity hat)
Anomaly

Well, in that vein, we've already had some interaction between Cal Graham and Canden Grisam, so they have to be separate people. Also, I think Shane Jr. and Cruise have also at least been in the same room, which marks them as separate as well.
However - there seems to have been a marked lack of direct interaction between Shane Jr. and Cyrus Grant. They've sniped at each other through the media, but I don't think it's mentioned them actually being together. And at the end of Chapter 6, when Grant came calling on Shane Jr., he wasn't present, and Grant "suspected as much". Why would he "suspect" that Shane Jr. would be away? Did he think Shane was avoiding him? Was he starting to realise that he and Shane shared the same body? Did he expect Shane would be off receiving treatment for an injury he'd received Gaming?

On another note, isn't it a little bit suspicious that Grant, who proclaims he considers the Captain a "fad", would put such effort towards mentioning Kaines' List during his interview in Chapter 5? He even gave out the URL. Why would he do that? Why would he give the Captain's biggest fan site so much free press? Unless, of course, he wants more people to be there, theorising about Captain Gamer, and getting slowly closer to discovering the Captain's identity for him...

Think about it.
Skybait J

oooh, so now Grant is Czar or some other type of Untold Evil???? Razz

Either that or he's directing them to Kaine's list to see more people fawn over his alter ego <.<
Anomaly

Nah, I don't think so. The whole point of the visor and the pseudonym are to protect his identity. Why would he intentionally get more people on the site, trying to crack the code?
Skybait J

To find a rather clever sidekick, perhaps? Razz

Or maybe he's planting false information on the site as to mislead people on purpose. So directing them to one large site would be easier than trying to hit multiple smaller ones.

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