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The General Captain Gamer thread

Here was can start any aimless discussion relating to anything in a Captain Gamer medium that doesn't fit in specific events. From this thread we could possibly springboard ideas for many other threads down the line!
Koji_Tsunami

Question: In your sprite thread on the Bob and George forums, you had some characters, Colonel Gamer and Constable Gamer. Will these character ever be used for anything? Will one of them be a character in Digital Defender? What about OCC? They had really good designs,and I hate to see cool characters go to waste, so I was just wondering. Confused
Captain Gamer

As much as I love curiosity and speculation, direct questions like these, I'm afraid, are a little off-limits. Twisted Evil The only way you're going to find out about future characters and plots is by reading the updates as they come. You can ask, just to clarify, but all you'll get from me are sealed lips. Wink
Skybait J

What I want to know is why IDR hasn't been sued for copyright infringement yet. Razz
Konoko

Well, before the villains, one could have argued that the companies mascots were getting such huge publicity that they probably should have been paying IDR as incentive to use more of theirs. So far, its been mostly Nintendo with a small bit of Sega...as for after the villains, its still ambivilant enough, and I suppose they could have gotten permission sometime between the scenes. That or they supercede such problems through legalities.
Since its a different realm of technology, not using a copyrighted game character in another game, but taking it completely out of it, making a simulacrum, an effigy, that happens to look the same...or the lack of commercial gain directly off the creations and instead off the technology that created them....
Yeah, I'm not sure, I'm not even an internet lawyer, just rationalizing and seeing if I can come up with a credible answer first. =P
Skybait J

Creating anything in likeness is copyright infringement, even if it's the real life charactor. Though maybe most people still believe that they're the actual charactors taken from the game world rather than created after them.
Konoko

Hmm...true. Still plenty of opening, particularly during the period before the DK fight, Nintendo certainly could have given IDS permissions to use their characters, simply enjoying the free publicity and increased sales...after the later stuff with the villains, its a little harder to rationalize, but still...

As a mostly unrelated thought, if they realized a person, putting as much of their memories thoughts and feelings into it, would that not be similar to cloning? Creating a healthy bodied and younger digital realization of yourself...*looks at the Professor thoughtfully*
I wonder what his initials are.
Naryu Elda

Cloning would probably be tempting, but I don't know whether anyone would approve. IDR creates life which had never existed before. Cloning would take someone/thing that already is. I doubt they'd go for it.

And I bet you Professor's initials are not C.G. or G.C.
Skybait J

They could create an exact replica of a person if they wanted to, there's nothing stopping that. It's almost the exact same thing, except the fact that they don't know what'll happen. The technology is new, and still being experimented with. What if there's a fatal error that made the things realized dissappear after a year or when they touch water or something? They're still in the data collection stage, and they can't do anything else until they know that what's being created is perfectly safe.

That's why video game charactors are the perfect experiment. Not only would they be impossible to fake, but since they have a sentinent mind, we can ask them how they feel and conduct experiments accordingly. You couldn't ask a tomato if anythings wrong when you zap it. Even though it's supposed to act like a tomato, how would we know it's really real until too late? And if you went right ahead and created raw matirials or food or medicine, and there was something wrong with them, you'd be accountable for it, possibly killing people!
Koji_Tsunami

Well, It's possible that Cap just forgot to mention that little bit where the IDR asked this-that-or-the-other company to use their characters, which said company gladly gave permission. (Think of the publicity!) this is all speculation, but it makes perfect sense to me. Oh and Skybait, you're spelling "character" wrong.
Skybait J

Yes. Yes I know. It's a very, very bad habit that I have no intention of breaking.
Skybait J

Double post to formally declare my madcap Gamer origon theory. I invite others to read and then formulate thier own.

Well, a long, long time ago The Professor was one of the formost computer programmers, even before Pong was invented. He was greatly valued as a computer programmer, especially since he never slowed in his understanding of the rapidly changing technology. Some would say that he learned faster than the computers could update.

At first The Professor wasn't involved in video games (let's just say he worked for Mac Razz), but in the SNES era he was drawn to them and started to work with them, more as a hobby than anything else. He loved video games on thier playability value, of course, but also admired the innovation and programming involved. He followed games very closely throughout the years.

The Professor's love for video games led him to create better ways to interact with them. Useing his massive computer knowledge he created all sorts of devices to enhance the experience of gaming and game making. Any company would have loved to hire him, but he loved all the different game makers, and didn't want to devote to just one. So whatever he perfected he either kept to himself or sold freelance to Fanta Corp.

Now in the PS/N64 era, he started on his ultimate project, The Game Suit. This would add a whole new dimension to gaming. It would allow for a VR-like interaction with any game and every charactor. The technology was light years ahead of it's time, though, and simply could not adapt well to the slow and comparitivly outdated stations. The Professor shelved it almost permanently when he was asked to head the IDR.

And so, time moved on to the modern era, he forgot about games with how busy he was, and IDR was nearing completion. The first realization was nearing without something to test, and then he saw that picture of Mario. His love for games came back as they started to work on the realization of Mario. As that moved forward, he looked back to his Game Suit. It would now be the perfect way to study and interact with these new charactors being created. With a few modifications for adaptability, the Game Suit was ready. And with The Professor's vast knowledge, he made it even better, so that it was still years and years ahead of any technology known to mankind.

The Professor tried to use the suit himself, but he had aged and was getting to old to handle. So he gave it to a boy that could test it for him.

There could be connections to any one of the Gamer Possibles, I still personally think it's Cruise Razz

Cruise was practically his apprentice, they're two of the few that know a little bit of everything

If we're going with the "Grisam is a child prodigy" theory, then he could have known the professor through scientific circles or something like that.

Any one of the Gamer Possiblilities could be his Grandson/Nephew/Godson that he loves and trusts with all his heart Razz

So, in short, I believe The Professor created Gamer.

Anybody else? Razz
Koji_Tsunami

Yay! Fanfics!
You're really just making this up. It's kind of cool, but the Professor has specifically stated that he has nothing to do with Captain Gamer. You could say that he was lying, but it doesn't answer why he never talks to Cruise about how it's going as the Cap. I don't think that Captain Gamer can be some nephew, or grandson or, godson,because I don't see why an useen character would be the guy that the story is named after.
Naryu Elda

One thing is bugging me... I just remembered something that Nightmare said...

Quote:
What the Fountain contained… was me. You see, if I were whole, I would cause disorder, but enough to merit attention. If any heroes were to be eliminated, they would have to come based off a passive signal that only digitally realized beings could sense.


Does this mean that Gamer could had been made by IDR?
Skybait J

Or whomever has the technology to match IDR.

I don't think that he's created digitally...mostly out of his personality. He could have been created to simply be the hero. That theory would have made a lot more sense in the first draft of DigiDef, but now his personality is much more immature. A scientist would program that out of him because it'd be much more efficient that way.

Unless he was digitally created to emulate the deceased son of the scientist in question, then later given/stole the Game Station to save the world <.<

I don't think he's digitally created though, due to the comic in which he admits he started being Captain Gamer to be cool. His naiveté and innocence can be explained by his recent creation, but a youth would not seek to save the world to be "cool". He'd more likely save the world because it was what he felt was right.

Of course the comic in question I cannot find (dial-up impedes me!) and it was also written during the old version of DigiDef. Besides, are we allowed to reference the comic as proof? It is OOC.

If we want to keep all our current suspects as normal human beings, a more likely theory would be that his Game Station was digitally created. And since it's somewhat a part of him, he could sense the waves through it.
Konoko

Koji_Tsunami wrote:
the Professor has specifically stated that he has nothing to do with Captain Gamer.

Are you sure about that? I seem to recall there being a certain gentle ambiguity about what he answered, instead saying things such as 'He's a good kid', or meaningful pauses before denial, in ways that could easily mean he's taking advantage of wordplay or loopholes in the question, or outright lying to people he doesn't really want to tell. Such as those financial backers.

Certainly could be an interesting idea, that Shane Barr created gamer....and Shane Barr Jr is the bad guy? o.o Or vice versa...
And IDR just makes the other heroes.
Skybait J

Well, Fanta Corp was introduced for a reason, as it wasn't in the first draft. So it must have some significance...or maybe its just there to widen the scope of the story.
Koji_Tsunami

Whadaya mean by first draft?I don't know what that means.
to Konoko: Yes, It is quite possible that he is lying, but he could've saved Cap a lot of trouble by admitting his connection to the IDR if he had one, because then the government wouldn't be able to claim he's a dangerous vigilante like they're doing. If Gamer was affiliated with the IDR, I think that he'd just admit it to save himself legal trouble. Therefore, I believe that if Captain Gamer has anything to do with the IDr, he's the only one who knows about it.
Skybait J

Not like the public actually know Gamer's true motives. Yes, we know he's the good guy, but does everyone in the story? The goverments would be all OVER IDR about Gamer, it'd probably only bring inquiries and the likes to the Professor. And what if the Untold Villain found out about said connections? He might be able to use such a connection in his favor?

Or, if Gamer was created using IDR, there'd be all sorts of moral implications behind it. The fact that they're creating game charactors kinda hides the fact from the public that they are creating life, a trespass on god's domain, a defilemnt of sacred ground, as some nuts would say. Or if his equipment was untested or illigal, then there would be all kinds of outcries for public safty and such...

There's several reasons the Professor would want to hide Captain Gamer's true identity, if the Professor really does know...
Koji_Tsunami

Hmm... Well, I can see what you mean when you say that the Untold Villains could cause trouble knowiing who Captain Gamer really is, But as far as the government goes, if the IDR vouched for him, the world could relax about his motives.I think that the general consensus of we, the readers of the story, is that the Captain isn't digitally realized, and even if he is, I'd guess that since the public doesn't care about making video game life, they wouldn't care about non-video game life either.
Skybait J

IDR is already on thin ice with the goverments, if they found out that this boy was "running amok" with crazy powers.

Same goes for the public not caring about video game lives. They probably wouldn't care, no, but there are always a few crazy zealots who would care, and its wiether or not those zealots are vocal enough to propigate thier hatred for the creation of life.

You have no idea how easy it is to twist facts into your favor. This is the age of misinformation and propaganda, you know.
Skybait J

ALL FEAR THE DOUBLE POST!

Time for madcap theories number three (Captain and Czar being first and Professor being second)

Today's madcap theory is about what I beleive to be the biggest unexplored loose end in the entire story. Right in the first chapter it's introduced, then never mentioned again. This kind of devious forshadowing can only mean that it is the Untold Villain! And he was created by IDR himself! You all know who I'm talking about.

The first realization of IDR, the Flesh Cube, is the Untold Villain of the Gamer Universe!

I mean, THINK ABOUT IT! Does anybody KNOW what happened to the Flesh Cube? They just created a life and thats it? No world tour with a spot in the science musem? Or did they lock it away only to find out later that it escaped?

Now the thought that a powerless hunk of flesh is the main villain is kinda silly, but what if there was a fatal error in the coding that could've given it all sorts of insane powers? Maybe he has super mind powers making him psychic, hyper intelligent, and/or a master tactition! And of course, he'd probably hate IDR for creating him. Or if not, maybe he's just resonating with the other game charactors and spawning off their villains from his being. He sees the world as hero fights villain, and creates each villain as the heroes are created (cause creating them all at once isn't how games work).

That could mean two things. One, that the heroes would always win because thats how the Flesh Cube sees it. But that just doesn't sway with Gamer's writing right now so more likly he's creating the villains to equal the real villains strength, which is always defeatable by the main charactors (now if we get into an RPG where you have to heal often to win, thats where the villains are going to OWN the charactors) The second thing is that as time went by other villains for the same charactors would pop up, because there are time gaps between games. So we might get to see a Mario Vs Bowser fight or DeDeDe up to no good.

....I really gotta stop with these insane ideas XD
Koji_Tsunami

Nice. I wonder if anyone besides you knows about the "Flesh Cube." I had no idea it existed. It's been awhile since I've read chapter one, but I still serioursly doubt that the Captain would make a throwaway object into a villain.(note: in the event that there really is a flesh cube, I apoligze for poor memory)
Konoko

I'll top that crazy theory.

The Flesh Cube became Captain Gamer.
Surprised
Skybait J

Crap, I can't top that insane theory!

*dies defeated*

Oh, wait. I got one!

The apple skin Cruse created in Chapter two mutated him into Captain Gamer! XO
Koji_Tsunami

I can top that one easy. A fatal flaw in the programming of the apple skin caused it to fuse with the flesh cube and then split into multiple pieces which ten mutated, one of them is Captain Gamer, and one is the untold villain!
Skybait J

What about Czar? Would he be created by this Apple Skin Flesh Cube?

Or is CZAR the untold villain?! I mean, I've always thought of him being controlled by another, but what's stopping him from directing teh villains, hm?
Konoko

Well, the appleskin/fleshcube split into multiple, so 3 things coming from it is plausable.
Oh, and the prof was replaced in chapter 3 by the 4th offspring of the union and the real one is hidden in the fairground by a guy in a mask, who is scaring away all the kids so no-one knows about the development there. Captain Gamer is likely to meddle in this later. I doubt he'll bring Rush though. Rolling Eyes Hmm, I kinda went off track towards somewhere else there...
Koji_Tsunami

Yes. Umm... Okay! The Apple Skin Flesh Cube's split pieces become Captain Gamer, The Untold villain and Czar, and the untold villain is the Proffessor's evil clone who has purple skin, bloodshot eyes, white blood and green hair!(I am tired from making this madcap theory.)
Konoko

Cap is part robot/alien.

Ok, I'm done.
I wonder what Cap himself makes of our insane theorys.

...*imagines him taking notes* Shocked
Captain Gamer

... I'm thinking I'd better hurry up with the next chapter to give people something REAL to talk about.
Skybait J

But why? This is just so much fun Razz

Don't hurry either, unless you wanna go back and do more re-writes <.<
Captain Gamer

Skybait J wrote:
But why? This is just so much fun Razz


Not as much fun as discussing things that actually count, am I right?
Skybait J

Yeah guys, we need to discuss SERIOUSLY now.

Like how the flesh cube took over Kate's body in a Spiderman 3-esqe way making her Captain Gamer.

Or how Captain Gamer was created from radioactive aliens who landed in his grandpa's cornfield...

Oh my gosh, farm boy Gamer in overalls with a pitchfork. OoO *dies laughing*
Koji_Tsunami

Oooh! Ripoff Time!

1.Yugi Mutou solved the Millenium Gamecube which give him the power of Gaming whenever he says "Game-Gi-Oh"

2. A radioactive Wii Remote bite Peter Parker turning him into a superhero!

3.Captain Gamer is the Hero of Time and secretly has the Triforce on his hand!

More to come

(Unless Cap gives us omething to talk about for REAL INSTEAD OF BECAUSE WE'RE SO BORED!!!!!!) Evil or Very Mad grrrrr...
Konoko

While it may not count as serious debate, its fun enough.

As for those ripoff things...what about a late night lab accident involving a certain CG, a malfunction, a bunch of 'Digital Rays' and a transformation triggered by the Urge to Game? =p
'You're making me heroic. You won't like me when I'm heroic...well, unless you're not evil. Then you would.'

Continuing to look forward to the next chapter though. ^_^ Definately worth taking the time to finish and polish it well though...
Koji_Tsunami

Yes. The Captain is good at his writing, and while I don't want to rush him, he is taking a while. As for the ripoff of today...

Captain Gamer is the last survivor of an advanced video gaming planet called "Gamecon". He discovered his super game skillz as he exited his teen years and went off to Metropolis to fight his archnemesis(Lex Luthor) as Captain Gamer. His only weakness is Gameconite, the nuclear remains of planet Gamecon.
Konoko

Better than being bitten by a radioactive virtual boy.
Skybait J

I dunno, I'm kinda partial to the "stabbed by a radioactive stylus" theory XD

Funny how radioactivity tends to give people super powers, huh?
Konoko

That calls for a quote.

Doctor: Mayor West, you have Lymphoma.
Adam West: Oh My.
Doctor: Probably from rolling around in that toxic waste. What in God's name were you trying to prove?
Adam West: I was trying to gain super powers.
Doctor: Well that's just silly.
Adam West: Silly, yes...idiotic...yes.
*silent pause*
Koji_Tsunami

Ummm... Are we allowed to ripoff video games, or does it have to be comic/anime/movie type thing?
Captain Gamer

Koji_Tsunami wrote:
Ummm... Are we allowed to ripoff video games, or does it have to be comic/anime/movie type thing?


I'm not quite sure what you're asking, here.
Konoko

Its all horribly off-topic and started on the spur of the moment from an impulse to base crazy theories off of various other things....so long story short, I don't see why not. But on the other hand, I think the equine cadavar is tiring of the endless onslaught of blows.
Koji_Tsunami

Konoko wrote:
Its all horribly off-topic...equine cadavar is tiring of the endless onslaught of blows.


The what?

And also, it might be easier to stay on topic if we had stuff to to talk about( Isn't that right Captain Gamer! Twisted Evil ).
Skybait J

We have OOC to talk about, but we're not allowed to make a thread for it cause theres one on BnG.

Since we're all intellectuals here (of course) our thread would definitly be more than "OMG that was awesome!" riiiight? >.>

And OMG! 100th POST! Bwahahaha!
Captain Gamer

Skybait J wrote:
We have OOC to talk about, but we're not allowed to make a thread for it cause theres one on BnG.

Since we're all intellectuals here (of course) our thread would definitly be more than "OMG that was awesome!" riiiight? >.>


Actually, there's no OOC forum because it didn't receive a single post besides my topic-starters.

If people will post in an OOC forum, constructively, then I shall certainly make one!
Koji_Tsunami

I 'spose I'd post, I just didn't have much to say about the Kasugano Arc. For example, I thought it was creative how you mocked the whole "Voltorb looks like a pokeball" thing in today's filler.How did Speedy learn to throw his voice? I want that skill for my Pokemon! Smile I may or may not have somthing to say, depending on what the comic is.
Anomaly

I've just thought of something.
Would the IDR have realized any characters from less fantastical games? For example, would Phoenix Wright actually be a defence attorney in the Gamerverse, or would Derek Stiles be a surgeon?
Skybait J

Well, looks what they did with Sakura, they just set her loose opon the real world for an experiment. They'd probably just let Wright and Stiles do what they do and see what happens.
Anomaly

And maybe Phoenix could be like the Gamerverse's analog to Matt Murdock - like, whenever a hero character winds up in court for doing their job, he's the one to defend them.
But, that raises an interesting question about Game Cards. Sure, linking with Stiles would probably give you the Healer's Touch, but what on Earth could you get from Phoenix?
Konoko

Koji_Tsunami wrote:
Konoko wrote:
Its all horribly off-topic...equine cadavar is tiring of the endless onslaught of blows.

The what?

The dead horse is tired of being beaten.

Quote:
But, that raises an interesting question about Game Cards. Sure, linking with Stiles would probably give you the Healer's Touch, but what on Earth could you get from Phoenix?

...a sharp legal mind? The power to make words appear above your head in red? Eye-poking?
Skybait J

Shining Finger!!!

The power of Objections! You can stop discussion in thier tracks! Of course you have to present more information afterwards to maintain attention...
Chocolate Ninja

I don't see why Phoenix Wright wouldn't be realized. After all, he's a popular and easily-recognizable game character. Razz Maybe he'll be realized to defend the IDR in court one day. XD
Koji_Tsunami

Remember OCC?
I bet Cap would get The Attorney Badge!
Ha Ha! I'd just die laughing if that happened... but not really.
Naryu Elda

Ha! It would be well suited for the comics, as how the Street Fighter sprites could easily be modded into a form similar to Pheonix's signature pose. xD

...

*eyes the sprites with a desire to create it as a joke*
Anomaly

Or maybe he'd get the luck to always have a deus ex machina show up to save him, whatever the situation.
Seriously, you can't deny how lucky Phoenix is, and it would be a lot more useful a Card than Objection.
Koji_Tsunami

Having a deus ex machina card would destroy the stories though.
About to be killed by Czar?
Use your game card and he'll get struck by lightning!
Yeah, right.
Anomaly

Oh, I didn't mean that kind of deus ex machina. Just the kind of thing which shows up for Phoenix - a surprise witness at just the right time (Larry in Turnabout Goodbyes), someone jumping in to help when you're otherwise ****ed (Edgeworth in Turnabout Samurai), that kind of thing.
Konoko

In the context of stories, luck is a deus ex machina anyway, since its determined by the writer, but I guess the idea would be for it to be a normal and sensible level of luck and timing, rather than the extreme 'Czar happens to be standing where that lightning strike is gonna happen' level of luck. =p
Anomaly

Rec Room Observation

I've just noticed something. Odds are, I'm just over-analyzing things (as per usual), but here goes anyway.
You see, apart from the Entrance Hall, the forum is composed of the GamerHang and Recreational Room sub-forums. If this has anything to do with the story at all, then it could suggest that the GamerHang itself is connected to a separate rec room - otherwise, the rec room would just be considered part of the GamerHang, and wouldn't have a separate forum title, now would it?
Anyway, on to the meat of the observation. My memory may serve me ill, but I can only recall one rec-room mentioned in the story: the one at the IDR. Now, if this forum's titling is not irrelevant, but actually obscure hinting, then this could suggest that the GamerHang is in or near the IDR.
Think about it. The IDR has an "undisclosed location", and so does the GamerHang. Maybe they both have the same undisclosed location. Also, it would explain how the Captain was able to get into IDR in Chapter 4 to talk to Proto Man. Finally, the IDR is Digital Reality central. A Gamer, who generally relies on linking with Digitally Realised beings to gain their abilities (basic weapons like the Beam Sword/Bat and Super Scope seem to be an exception, based on how the Captain talked about them), had better keep close to the world's centre of Digital Reality, to keep close to proceedings.
Hmm. That actually looks kind of stupid written down. Eh, I'll post it anyway, give you all something to chuckle at. *clicK*
Skybait J

A lot of places could be undisclosed with a rec room. Area 51, for example. I think It's just story paralels. =/
Koji_Tsunami

The GamerHang doesn't have an undisclosed location. It isn't even in the story as of yet. I also bet that the Gamer Hang would probably be Cap's entire living quaters, and therefor might just self contain a rec room. (Bin o' Games). I doubt that the GamerHang I'm posting in right now is the same as the one in tyhe story.
Konoko

I kinda like that theory. Sure, the linkage is somewhat uncertain, but linking the forum structure to the location in the story? Thats just awesome. xP

I had kinda figured the gamerhang was in IDR as well, based on the 'underground tram ride later' thing in OOC when they go to it, in 24. Kirby uses one of the IDRs many underground train lines halfway through episode 5. Sure, its not the most concrete link, but its something. Course, following that train of thought, in the very same OOC panel, the 'where I derive my first memories' thing...
It was mentioned there as well that it looks abandoned the fact that it looks abandoned though seems at odds with the fact that permission was needed, but quoting chapter 5:
Quote:
This wall was actually created with Digital Reality, rigged to let anybody out, but act like a log house wall unless the one coming into contact with it had clearance

So, it would make sense for it to loook abandoned but still need permission. The Gamerhang isn't in the story, but I daresay that at some point in the (far?) future, it will be there. At the same time, it does lend some potential support towards Cap being realized...
Anomaly

Konoko wrote:
At the same time, it does lend some potential support towards Cap being realized...

...especially with the "It's where I derive my first memories" comment. Good work, Konoko, I'd forgotten about the tram ride.
I'm fairly sure the GamerHang will crop up in Digital Defender at some point, but it would probably have to be after the Captain stops being the enigmatic deus ex machina, and gets his background and identity explored a bit more thoroughly - kind of like what happened to The Doctor. Though, that is probably a long way off.
Majin Luigi

Cap may be mysterious, but he sure doesn't act the part of enigmatic deus ex machina...

If you'll remember, Cap said at one point in the comic that he first started doing the whole superhero thing to look cool. If he was realized, it probably would have been for the point being Captain Gamer. This makes it seem that if he was, he wouldn't have been able to decide to do it, to look cool or for any other reason.


Of course, now we realize that Cap contradicts himself.
Skybait J

Hm, yes, that does seem to make the Gamer Was Realized theory that much less reasonable.

Unless the personality he was realized with made him feel like he had to do it to look cool. All of his memories and personality implanted in him copied or compleatly faked.....like some Replacement Goldfish for some scientist's long lost son! >.>

Hell, if the current Captain died, they could just digitally re-create him, if they had all his memories backed up and stored somewhere. If he was a normal kid in the first place they might've gotten this from him for research or "just in case" not telling him that they could clone him to his very fingerprints and no one could tell the difference.... That's kinda creepy, actually....
Koji_Tsunami

Does that mean that Cap was realized, but not to be a Superhero? What then, would his purpose be?

...

I bet Cap is writing all this stuff down right now, and will soon be modifying the story to conform to our mad theories...
Skybait J

XD

I'm sure he's writing all this down just so he can pull it out later and taunt us with what MIGHT be confirming our theories, but actually is just ambigious enough so that it might NOT be confirming our theories.
Koji_Tsunami

*sigh*

Cap is so ambiguously over-the-top about this stuff...

What a drag...
Captain Gamer

Any combination of you may or may not be closer or further from reaching some conclusion confirming or denying a topic that I could or could not be alluding to.
Skybait J

The fact that he's ambiguously over the top has becomed confirmed by the previous statement.
Anomaly

Majin Luigi wrote:
If you'll remember, Cap said at one point in the comic that he first started doing the whole superhero thing to look cool. If he was realized, it probably would have been for the point being Captain Gamer. This makes it seem that if he was, he wouldn't have been able to decide to do it, to look cool or for any other reason.


Hmm. Good points, but there's something else we should keep in mind. Through those same scenes, the Captain asked Sakura about why she became a Street Fighter. At first, she came out with some talk about how growing up, she was always "different" from the other girls, and how she would prefer not to be a replica of what society wanted her to be.

Then, the good Captain reminded her that this was not the case... that she didn't come up with those views on femininity herself, but that they were forcibly written into her as a Digitally Realised character.

Perhaps... he knew to remind her of that not merely through logic, but through personal experience. Perhaps... what "got to him" in that conversation was not how the popular role-models were "bad boy types", but the subject's emotional significance to him.

Perhaps... the Captain is Digitally Realised, and though he at first thought he had his own motivations for doing what he did - "being cool", for instance - at one point, he came to realise (no pun intended) that these assumptions were wrong, and that he was Captain Gamer because he was designed to be Captain Gamer.

Wow. If that is what happened, then that is totally surreal and awesome.
Skybait J

Surreal and awesome, yes, but if that's truely the case, you just spoiled it for us!  Crying or Very sad
Captain Gamer

The spoiler content of any to all post is inconclusive at best or worst.

Maybe.
Skybait J

Yes, keep adding fuel to the speculitive fire, we'll wind up thinking up something even more ludicrous and insane than the Flesh Cube is the Untold Evil junk I made up XD
Anomaly

Hey. To be fair, it wasn't Cap's abuse of the Quickstep Dodge technique that got me going, it was Majin's comment.
Skybait J

Still, neither confirming nor denying means pretty much free speculation in any which direction.
Anomaly

Well... yeah. That's kind of the point. If he were to confirm or deny something, that would be what we in the business call a "spoiler". And we don't want that.
TCC

while anomaly brings up many good points on the side of Cap being realized, it does sort of bring up the question of who realized him? he came about (or at least made his first appearence) around the same time as mario, but realization was still highly experimental, and they would have anounced any projects they had been working on. also if IDR did realize Cap who realized Czar? IDR wouldnt have, and no other people have that type of technology. I theorize that the gamers along with all the things being digitaly realized are actualy from another demension and are pulled to ours through the act of digital realization! this would mean that they were around before they were realized, and it was entirely possible for them to "break into" our reality sort of like the way we did theirs. basicly czar and the baddies escaped to the real world and Cap went after them, Cap got amnesia (thats why he doesn't quite understand some of these things himself) and ends up as just some kid with random video game based super powers. simultaneously the IDR have "created" digital reality and are pulling the characters from the other dimension. also, this means that eventualy Cap will regain the remainder of his memories. seeing the new threat on our reality Cap will call the gamers, and they will set up a big partnership between the realities. eventualy traveling to different planes of existance will be normal durring Cap's adventures, and he will travel to different game worlds.... i'm probably leaving out a bunch of stuff, but i think you get my point.... besides this is all just a theory
TCC

sorry thats so long, but it sort of got me thinking, and i just sort of.... rambled.....lol, sorry
Skybait J

See! This is what happens when you let people speculate whatever the crap they want to! XD

That was a tale worthy of the Flesh Cube being the Untold Evil. And no, I will NOT let that idea die! Kate being Captain maybe I'll let fade a little, but I see the truth and the truth is the Flesh Cube in the Untold Evil! ITS EVIL I SAY! XD

I think the Digital Defender concept is solid enough so that it doesn't need other dimensions =/ But hey, anything could happen.
Anomaly

Hmm... some good ideas there, but you're forgetting a couple of things. Firstly, if I recall, most of the thrust of Mario's history-making interview was Mario trying to reassure the interviewer (and all those watching) that the Digital Reality beings were made, not transported. Assuming Mario doesn't possess the same amnesia, why would he mislead people about DR's nature? And if he does have amnesia, what causes it?

Not to mention that this "VG characters are taken from their VG worlds" theory doesn't much account for some of the arbitrary changes that the IDR made during Realisation and programming: for instance, when Dr.s Light and Wily were Realised to be more human in appearance, rather than the caricatures that they were in the original games.

And besides, the question of "who Realised these beings that the IDR did not Realise" is already relevant even if Cap's not a DR being himself; who Realised Donkey Kong? Where did Robotnik and Metal Sonic come from? What about eNeMeE? All my theory really does is add a few more entries to the "who Realised this" question.

And since it's a question brought about from the story's own canon, it's not my business or my responsibility to answer it... right, Captain?
TCC

ahh, but then they dont nescisarily come from the same realities! the thing about alternate realities is if you set out to find something no matter how specific you will eventually find it! i see it like the "designing" of the characters by the IDR is sort of like a search on a search engine. it will find someone or something exactly like what they made on the computer. also you have to realize that mario was only told that he was created and does not know for a fact that he wasn't transported. the IDR could have just assumed that they were doing what they explained, because Mario was so exactly like their design. the way they explained it they used materials from the atmosphere to digitaly create things, but how do they know that they arent also pulling from a different source, and the raw materials are being sent to the alternate reality as sort of a trade. also As I would have said in my earlier post if I had reviewed it more is that it was sort of one of those "OMG the bad guy's jumping through a portal! I'll go after him before it closes!" situations, and something went wrong due to the fact that the portal was'nt charged.... or something.... of coarse this is just my way of telling this story, Cap could come in all of a sudden and say something completely rediculous leaving us all dumbfounded, and wrong. of coarse this just makes it a little more fun to guess. ^_^ (sorry its so out of order, but i think in a verry disorganized way...)
Koji_Tsunami

Somehow,
I think that interdimensional portal technology
would be significantly different
from Digital Reality tech,
to an extent that the DRI probably couldn't
create a such a search engine
unless they were deliberately trying to.

Which would leave us back at square one.
Anomaly

That, plus it does kind of muck with the digital-coding and -programming aspect of a Digitally Realised being. Why would Captain Gamer refer to Sakura's Ansatsuken as her "unique data" if she was really just a regular person from an alternate universe? And even if that could be explained by his amnesia, why would his Gamer Station - something which he, presumably, would have taken with him from his home-world - refer to the retrieval of a DR being's power as "Link Established", or to "Coding" a Game Card? For that matter, if it's not a copy-over of unique skill-based data, how does a Game Card work?
TCC

lol, i guess this just proves how i dont reffer to the comics every time i post, but i still think it's a pheasable  idea, and no matter how many things you throw at it it doesnt matter! if i were cap and I decided to post these things in the novel none of these things would matter and i would be able to go through all the plot holes and fill them... eventually... of coarse im not saying "if he used my idea" im saying more of if he came up with it himself. anway i can no longer hold up my argument, and fold. good luck with figuring stuff out!

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